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a new direction, new states with new strategies. for the republicans the battle continues to be over delegates and internal memo obtained by nbc news, campaign advisers to donald trump believe he can get to 1400 delegates before the convention. well more than the number he needs to clinch the nomination. ted cruz and john kasich still preparing for a contested convention and now every republican is working to win over a suddenly crucial batch of unbound delegates in pennsylvania. on the democratic side, it could be a question of when, not if sanders will get out of the race. according to our political unit, hillary clinton would lose every single remaining contest and still collect the delegates she needs to become the democratic nominee. jacob rascon is with the trump campaign. what can you tell us about the big change and changes that the trump organization and candidate
are doing right now? >> reporter: the first thing we should understand about tone, out on the road we don't see a change of tone, even after the victory speech where he sounded more presidential. at the rally he didn't sound any more presidential, used the same nicknames for ted cruz. what we're seeing and hearing and reporting is, he's hired a speechwriter. he's practicing with teleprompters and going to be giving policy speeches, the first in a week about foreign policy. look for that to sound many like the apec speech where he had help from a speechwriter. his son-in-law. we're going to see those two tones. when he's outdoing victory speeches and policy speeches, but we don't expect, at least i don't, to hear much of a change on the road at his rallies. we're here at the cafe in indianapolis, this is -- as french word, endearing term.
most voters are anti-trump. right here at this table, he's out of town, a lot here for a firefighter conference. you're on the fence a little bit, registered republican. will a change of tone with trump ks more presidential, help push you? >> it will. his rhetoric is strong and if he's going to be the leader of the free world as they say, absolutely needs to tone it down. he is too polarizing and i don't think he can have a chance of winning an election if he's going to be that polarizing. >> reporter: almost like you want to support trump -- >> i like his ideas but some of his ideas are too strong, too strict towards he is special when whenly when it comes to border policies. he needs to step that back and get more supporters that way. >> reporter: thank you, scott.
indiana leads the nation in manufacturing, trump can count on a lot of folks who lost their jobs, for example, from carrier and others moving overseas. >> jacob rascon, thank you very much. with the moment within the republican party to prevent trump from getting the gop nomination, at the spring meeting, party leaders are expected to address the possibility of a contested convention and just how one would work. cruz and kasich were there on wednesday. and casey hunt is there for us now. good morning. what are officials there deciding exactly? >> reporter: good morning. this is really all about whether or not these campaigns can convince these rnc members, many of whom are delegates -- all of whom are delegates, that they have a path and are deserving of support. the trump camp has the most work to do with this group of people.
they are obviously the party infrastructure that's been bashed left and right by donald trump over the past couple of months. his new convention aide is here, set to make a presentation this afternoon to this group of people. of course, the others, cruz and kasich, their hopes hang on making sure this convention is open and it seems to me at this point there are some rnc members who are starting to believe an open convention is kind of out of the realm of possibility and trump will have this locked up and others think it's inevitable. cruz and kasich fighting with one another. they gave these dueling press availabilities, kasich insisting he's not running for anybody's vice president, hitting back against cruz saying their path to the nomination is functionally the same. the question comes down to whether or not trump can get those delegates he needs to win
on the first ballot. there's consensus, if he doesn't hit 1237 on the first ballot of the convention, it's nearly impossible he would then turn around and become the republican party's nominee. the challenge for paul manafort will be to answer questions whether or not the trump campaign is prepared to take on hillary clinton and whether they have the kind of organization and fund raising pro wx des, they need to raise a billion to $1.5 billion, jose. >> casey hunt, thank you. donald trump is calling on his republican opponents to leave the race, to clear his path to nomination. but with two out of three voters holding an unfavorable view of him, he hasn't closed the deal. here's what he said about that at an exclusive town hall on "today." >> i've been hit by 55,000 ads, negative ads and nobody else has. you look at a guy like kasich,
never been hit by an ad because nobody cares frankly. no, it's so true. and cruz isn't hit with negative ads but they went after my both sides, my side, the other side. i won florida with almost 21 points in a landslide and won mostly landslides and 22 or 24 states and nobody else is even close. the main thing, millions and millions of votes more than anybody else has. >> that's the republican primary. 30 million people vote in the republican primary, 130 million vote in the general election. if you look at these polls and specifics and swing voters who decide elections in this country, in poll after poll, 69% of women disapprove. 67% of independents and young people, 70% unfavorable. so what work do you have to do? how are you going to convince them that you are their candidate in the. >> when people see i'm going to bring jobs back to this country and i'm going to strengthen up
the military, when they see i'm going to be strong borders like nobody else and we will build a wall and mexico will pay for the wall by the way. when they see we're getting rid of obama care and going to be replacing it with something good and get rid of common core, also likewise a total catastrophe and bring it locally to be run by local communities and the parents of the children. it's going to be wonderful and beautiful and much better. when they see what we're going to do and above all, we're going to make some of the great trade deals, every deal wefl is a tote sal disaster. our country is losing a fortune. women, if you saw my landslide in new york, women were one of the highest demographics. >> savannah's point is a valid one, it's different in a republican primary. >> i agree with that. >> i think they'll come along. >> i don't think we have to go into all of the words and
insults about women and mexicans and muslims, you can't unsay those things. how do you convince them? they've been listening to all of the things you just said about jobs and the wall. >> i think it's about -- i did some things and said some things in fun and said it as an entertainer doing the apprentice, they wanted to renew me for two years and didn't do it because of this. a lot of that was entertainment. there's nobody that respects women more than i do. there's nobody that will take care of women's health issues better than i will. hillary cannot do it. she doesn't have the strength and energy. she will not be able to do it. i think that women will be big fans. they want to see security for our country and irate number one on every poll. the pol military is endorsing m border patrol. >> willie has a question. >> we have a lot of questions,
let's get started with andrew sullivan, brooklyn new york, registered republican and supporter of yours. >> thank you. hi. >> full disclosure i did work for you and appreciate the ten years of good union construction work you proiled for me and my family. >> good, thank you. >> what's your question, sir? >> in regards to isis, i sincerely appreciate the aggressive stance you want to take with them. and my question, how do we avoid the pit falls of the past and by getting involved yet again in this perpetual state of war with no end in site. >> i was against the war in iraq. i say you don't go in. so strong against iraq. we went in and made a terrible mistake going in. thej we got out the wrong way. isis as a matter of fact was created because of the way we got out. because of the bad moves we made even while we were there, but we now have to do something.
we have to knock the hell out of them. we're going to get them out and help and get the countries in that region to put up their manpower or they've got big problems. a lot of that is going to be leadership. we do have to get rid of isis. we're going to make it impossible for isis to survive. they are cutting off heads and drowning people in steel cages. it's like medieval times, never seen anything like it. nobody has ever seen anything like it. we're going to get rid of isis. by the way, speaking of that, our military has been decimated with cuts and everything else. it will be bigger and better and stronger than ever before. hopefully we don't have to use it. the one place we will use is to get rid of isis. thank you. >> to make sure i'm clear, bomb the you know what out of isis but you have a comprehensive plan for what to do in that region? >> you know, one of the things running for office is
interesting, they'll ask questions like that i said bomb, been saying that from the beginning. then they started it ton a limited basis. libya has fantastic oil, some of the finest in the world. who has the oil? isis has the oil. do we bomb it or do anything? no. isis is making a fortune in libya. that was a hillary clinton deal. she wanted to get rid of gadhafi for what reason? he was a bad guy and saddam hussein was a bad guy. they killed terrorists, we would have been better off if we never looked at the middle east for the last 15 years. >> mr. trump, i've jot jamie heckman. still undecided. >> my relative is a natural born american in the military deployed in oman. his father and stepmother are undocumented citizens here -- undocumented people here in the united states for the last 25
years without any way of adjusting their status. if you're president, what will you do for those members that of that fabric of our country that have been here for 25 years undocumented? won't they be deported? >> when say natural born citizens, why do you mention that? i assume you were born here. why do you mention that? you know who always says that, ted cruz, because he was born in canada and lived there for four years. i'm a natural born citizen. >> i'm not for cruz. >> he has no path right now. >> what's your plan for her relatives? >> they've been here how many years? >> 25 years. >> we're going to do something that people -- look, we're either going to have a country or not going to have a country but many people are very fine people and i'm sure these are very, very fine people. they are going to go and we're going to create a path where we can get them into this country legally. but it has to be done legally.
>> you will deport them first. >> they are going to be and come back and come back legally. we have some wonderful people. it's too tough to say you'll never come back again. they are coming back but they are coming back into our country legally. so important. that might not be the perfect answer for you but am i going to get your vote? >> by the way, they are from ecuador and i'm organizing the relief effort for ecuador and need transportation for supplies. >> we're getting thousands of questions on twitter. this is from jessica hershey. mr. trump, please be specific, tell us your views on lgbt and how you plan to be inclusive as president. speak about north carolina bathroom law in particular. >> i had a feeling that question was going to come up. north carolina did something that was very strong. and they are paying a big price. there's a lot of problems. i heard one of the best answers i heard was from a comment dsz
ator yesterday saying leave it the way it is right now. there have been very few problems. leave it the way it is. north carolina what they are going through with all of the business leaving and strive and that's on both sides, you leave it the way it's. there have been very few complaints the way it is. people go and use the bathroom they feel is appropriate. there has been so little trouble and the problem with what happened in north carolina is the strife and economic -- the economic punishment they are taking. >> do you have any transjendser people working in your organization? >> i don't know. i really don't know. i probably do. >> if kaitlyn jenner were to walk in to trump tower and want to use the bathroom, you would be fine with her choosing any bathroom she chooses? >> that is correct. there's a big move to create new bathrooms, the problem with that for transgender, that would be discriminatory in a certain way
and unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country. leave it the way it is. >> let's talk about abortion, another potent social issue. the republican platform every four years has a provision that states that the right of the unborn child shall not be infringed and makes no exceptions. would you want to change the republican platform with the exceptions you have made? >> absolutely for the three exceptions. >> for the health of the mother? >> i would leave it for the life of the mother but absolutely have the three exceptions. >> willie, let's go back to the crowd here. dr. priscilla warren of scarsdale new york, married with one son, registered republican and supporter of yours. >> thank you. >> mr. trump, your wife melania suggested you be presidential. can you tell us some of the things that you have done to be
more presidential? >> well, it's true she would like me to not hit as hard sometimes and yet when i started we had 17 people and i was being hit from every angle by governors and senators and really smart and wonderful people. endorsed me, ben carson and others and chris christie, another one. you're being hit pretty hard. i felt i had to hit back pretty hard. if i didn't and acted presidential i wouldn't be sitting up here today. somebody else might be. it wouldn't be me. i will tell you it's easier for me to be presidential than for me to be doing what i've been doing for the last really nine months. but at the right time i will be so presidential you will be so bored. you will say, can't he have a little bit more energy? i know when to be presidential. we have two more left. they are really -- they have absolutely no path to victory, in fact it was announced this morning they have no path to victory. and we have a very easy path to victory.
i think they'll be gone very soon. >> two good people but i think they'll be gone son. >> on the democratic side of things, huge issue is wall street banks. you're a guy who said you know the wall street bankers better than anyone. >> better than anyone. >> after the 2008 financial meltdown, do you think any of the guys you know better than anyone should have been in jail? >> it's a question i've heard so often and been asked so often. if they did something purposely, purposely illegal, the answer is absolutely yes. with all of that being said, i don't believe anybody is really been indicted and gone to jail, which is pretty amazing, i'm sure there were pretty bad moves made. i will say this, a lot of mistakes were made. you can't put a businessman in jail because he made a bad business decision. they want to do well and for the most part wall street bankers want to do well. they wanltd to do well. they are good people like everyone else, got a lot of money, paid too much money, but
what are you going to do? if they make a business mistake you can't put people in jail. if they do something they know is illegal and wrong, you have to put them in jail. >> does it surprise you that so many of your supporters are so angry at those banks because the decks are stacked against them and you're the guy they are supporting and you've been given every single advantage those banks can give to the wealthiest americans. >> i have taken advantage of the banks more than any human being on earth. i love banks, right. and i love fighting with banks if i have to. depends on what happens, the economy goes up or down. but i found bankers to be very good people and honorable people, generally speaking they want to do what's right for the country. but again, i've known some bad dudes. i've seen you and these people in the same room as us, there are some people out there that are not good people. for the most part i have to say though, wall street people are aggressive. they are tough and smart and
they bring a lot of money and a lot of jobs into this country. >> do you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy? >> i do. including myself. i do. >> willie. >> i'm with ella walders here in new york city, undecided but leaning your way. >> good morning, mr. trump and congratulations on your big win in new york. >> thank you very much. >> my question to you is can you please share with us a single most important lesson that you've learned growing up? and who do you consider a mentor now and why? >> well, it's a great question and i'm not asked it very often. i would tell you a real lesson. my father was a builder in brooklyn and queens and loved to work. and he didn't say you have to work and you have to this but i would learn sitting at his knee playing with blocks and it would be a sunday or saturday night or any time, he was always working. and he was a happy man. i learned that work is a great thing, that i looked at my
father, had a wonderful wife, fantastic marriage, it was 63 years. it was an incredible relationship. but my father was a very happy person. and all he did is work. he couldn't -- i don't think he's ever taken a vacation. one time he took a vacation and came back early. he was happy and content and had a great family and great wife. what i learned is that when you work and if you enjoy what you're doing and really love what you're doing, it's a great thing and you'll be happy. i know so many of the people, many at the big celebration the other night, the biggest business people, i'm not going to specify which, but some of these people unbelievably wealthy but unbelievably unhappy. >> let me ask you about something in the news this morning. harriet tubman will now replace andrew jackson on the 20 dollar bill. you have so often during this campaign railed against political correctness. do you see this as a move that is all about political correctness or is this a move
that is simply way overdo? >> andrew jackson had a great history and i think it's very rough when you take somebody off the bill. andrew jackson had a history of tremendous succession for the country. as you know they were going to do the $10 bill and the broadway play, hamilton or broadway play sort of saved that one. and i read it just this morning. >> are you in favor of harriet tubman? >> harriet tubman is fantastic. maybe we do the $2 bill or another bill, i don't like seeing, i think it's pure political correctness, been on the bill for many, many years. really represented somebody that really was very important to this country. i would love to see another denomination and that could take place i think it would be more appropriate. >> up next, breaking down the
trump town hall. how will trump supporters and rivals react to what he said this morning? first members of the trump family share what's most impressive to them about this run. >> for so long he's number one for now ten months and i never thought about it. i know his energy and know how people love him and connect to him. >> i've watched him inspire thousands of executives over the years as a leader of a large company but now to see him do it ton a much larger stage and larger capacity is remarkable. a. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there isnly one place where real and amazing live.
and the makeover of the $20 bill. let's bring back casey hunt and elise jordan. trump and advisers promised a more polished and presidential trump. did he sound like that to you today? >> definitely. that's what we've seen over the last two weeks that donald trump has the ability to change and growing as a candidate and listening to the senior advisers he's brought in. it's been remarkable just because it shows discipline that we've never really have seen previously from donald trump. and it's probably -- it should be incredibly intimidating to hillary clinton because disciplined donald trump is a dangerous one to her candidacy. >> and one of the things talked about elise, to amend the gop platform on abortion, how do you think that's going to play? is that feasible? >> i think that he at this point
feels pretty comfortable about his position as the front-runner and about locking the down the nomination. he's already pivoting towards the general. he didn't wade into it as much as previously damaging interview with chris matthews where he said women who get abortions should be punished. he didn't say that he would allow a blanket exception for the judgment of the health of the mother. he kind of navigated that somewhat deftly. >> when you hear donald trump say over again cruz and kasich have no path to the nomination, how true is is that? >> reporter: trump has a couple of challenges with this particular group. he does to a certain extent have to make that inevitability argument. there's definitely some people saying privately behind their hands, this thing is over. he needs to convince more people
that's the case and you're starting to see him do that more forcefully. he also has to convince people that he is applausible president and i think you've seen this new team that he's brought in focus a lot on that. and that is the major hurdle for the people here at the rnc. when you think what any normal year would be like, winning by these margins and this far head in the delegate count, you would have more people saying look, you know what, it's time to unify and many cases starting to go on in the democratic side and happened in past republican years. but there is deep concern about what a donald trump would do to the party and also to many of the other republicans who are running in down ballot races. the republican party cares a lot about hanging onto the house and senate. so that's why donald trump's team is down here in force and why they are going to give this presentation to members later today to convince people here that not only is donald trump the front-runner but somebody
who can lead the party forward and capable of beating hillary clinton. >> casey, finally the trump organization is going into, for example, meetings like that prepared? because it seems in the past -- especially on the delegate hunt situation, you know, he's been caught kind of flat footed. >> in many ways he just hasn't been present. and i think that you know, this shift we talked about his campaign reorganization and restructuring and what it means or doesn't mean. in a context like this one, like this meeting where you're talking to people who are going to be physically putting the convention together. you're seeing most evidence of this changing. there's a couple of different fronts. he's got to win the primaries and win those delegates, places like pennsylvania where the delegates are unbound and have to be convinced that trump is the one they should get behind. also the people here who are deciding how this convention is going to go down, whether they want it to be easier or harder for the convention to be open,
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pennsylvania. good morning. chris, hillary clinton has been hitting bernie sanders hard especially over the position on guns and next hour hillary clinton will be talking with victims of gun violence. >> you're absolutely right. good morning to you. this is an issue that resonates here in connecticut. the state where the sandy hook tragedy unfolded and one where she can argue she's further to the left of sanders when it comes to guns and guns legislation. secretary clinton has really hit him hard on this legislation he opposes that would allow victims of gun violence to sue gun manufacturers. i anticipate we'll hear a whole lot of that later on today and this comes as the clinton campaign is out with a hard hitting ad. it essentially focuses on the daughter of one of the victims of the sandy hooj tragedy. it's very powerful.
take a look. >> my mom was the principal of sandy hook school, murdered trying to protect the children in her care from a gunman. no one is fighting harder than hillary clinton. she is the only candidate that has what it takes to take on the gun lobby. she reminds me of my mother. she isn't scared of anything. >> reporter: jose, i saw that ad play about three separate times so the clinton campaign really coming on strong on this issue much guns. we'll hear a whole lot about that later today when she meets with the victims of gun violence. this allows her to show the more personal side of herself. she's offscript and off teleprompter and shows herself more to be a mom and grand mom and that resonates with voters. the fact she's making a strong play understandscores that the clinton campaign is trying to put senator sanders away next tuesday. this is a state where he could
do very well. he's from neighboring vermont. she's trying to stop that from happening. >> kristen welker, thank you very much. in three hours to the west let's go to chris jansing in scranton, pennsylvania, lines are growing ahead of bernie sanders noon town hall. what are campaign officials saying about the path forward? >> reporter: they think they have one, which is something that a lot of clinton supporters think doesn't exist. they say there's zero chance that bernie sanders will drop out. here's what tad divine said last night about how they are going to put this strategy forward. >> we think we can win more pledge delegates and more states and think we can prove to the democratic party leadership that he will by far be the strongest candidate in the general election. if we can make that case and win it, we would hope the party would endorse him. >> reporter: in fact, they
bristle at the idea they should somehow get out of this race. there's been a lot of calls for unity on the clinton side. hillary clinton herself has been very specific about not saying that bernie sanders should drop out but david plouffe, well known in democratic party circles and ran president obama's 2008 very successful campaign, tweeted last night that it was somehow not true to suggest that he could raise money off the idea that he still could close the number of delegates and i talked to jeff weaver, the head of bernie sanders campaign about that this morning. he said they call for unity then they send surrogates out with a machete. that's the word he used. i don't think we're going to hear a big change in tone but that's what people will be listening for in side this room. in scranton they have 1800 seats inside. you can see the line. it went all the way down the block, down, turn the corner for three or four blocks.
i think that -- i'm not a crowd control expert or crowd number expert, but it looked like more than 1800 people. and a lot of these people, what surprised me, they really understand what's going on with the delegate situation, the fact party of the strategy is he would have to turn superdelegates and they say this is not just about bernie sanders about about a movement. they are here to show support for the kand date yes but also the ideas he represents. >> great seeing you. the gop fight in indiana up next, ohio governor john kasich's campaign says he secured a majority of the state's delegates two weeks before the primary. will that help kasich stay alive? we'll talk to one of his supporters after the break. ♪
>> controversy is erupting over the state's republican delegates even though the primary doesn't take place until may 3rd. trump's camp crying foul after the kasich camp said it already secured the majority of the 57 delegates. joining me is the consultant to the kasich campaign in indiana. good to see you. >> good to see you, jose, thank you. >> indiana delegates are bound to vote but you say the kasich camp feels good about the number of delegates who will support kasich in a second ballot. how can you be so confident in that? >> we've spoken to a lot of these delegates and know where they lean and they care about electability. they want the candidate best positioned to beat hillary clinton in november. that's governor kasich. you have to look at the last 15 head to head polls between him and hillary clinton.
governor kasich wins whereas in the last 27 polls between donald trump and hillary clinton, donald trump loses. these delegates have said if there's a second ballot which it looks likely that will be the case, they plan to support john kasich. >> let me read part of the trump camp's response to all of this. it shows how flawed the process might be if what they are say sg true and the process can be easily manipulated. if the delegates are rrd being influenced and came in with their choice in mind knowing what they would do on a second ballot, they are not listening to the representatives which are voters. what's your reaction to that? >> that's laughable. all they need to do a little bit of googling and reader to know indiana state law does not require at large delegates to be bound on any ballot at the national convention. quite frankly, while they are crying and moaning about the process being rigged. the indiana republican party rules benefit donald trump if he in fact wins the state of
indiana because those at large delegates would be bound to him on first ballot. where state law says they don't have to be. >> so far cakasich only one his own state. so his only shot is this contested convention. would that be fair to the majority of people who have gone to the polls and voted for trump or anybody else? >> having contested conventions, open conventions, whatever you want to call it, is not new. abraham lincoln was nominated at the contested convention and became president. this is not new. there's a lot of focus on it now and i think the delegates on the floor of the convention are going to care about electability because there's no point in this process, jose, unless republicans can win the white house. john kasich is positioned to do that. >> but there's also the point of people going out to the polls and deciding who they would prefer, whether some people like it or not. >> right and delegates have the right on second ballot to -- or
some cases first ballot to make the decision they think is in the best interest of the party and the country. i think they are ready to make that choice known. >> good to see you, thanks for being with me this morning. >> thank you. >> president obama wraps up his two-day trip to saudi arabia. they discussed the united states commitment to the region's security. he'll spend the rest of the day in talks in defeating isis and middle east security before he takes off for london. he'll help queen elizabeth celebrate her 90th birthday. a short while ago the queen emerged to greet the cheering crowds. overnight the palace releasing her official birthday portrait, the queen surrounded by several children and grandchildren and prince george and prince charlotte on her lap.
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>> several presidential candidates are focusing on pennsylvania ahead of tuesday's primary and for the republicans, one of the decisive factors is the unbound delegates. pennsylvania has 54 of them. they can support whomever they choose in the first round of balloting at the convention in july. msnbc is in a philadelphia diner with a group of these unbound delegates. what are they telling you this morning? >> reporter: this is an unbelievable thing what's going on in pennsylvania. pennsylvania has the seventh most delegates total of any state in the union but the 49th, second to last amount when it comes to pledge delegates, which means the vast majority of delegates coming out of this state are unbound. they don't have to listen to the will of the voters. that is why dom is right here, a local radio host, 1210 wthp and
talking to unbound delegates, including this man right here what they are going to do if they are elected for the republican national convention. when you go to the ballot in pennsylvania, you're not just voting for president but delegates too. all of these people are not just candidates but running in the first district. there's three candidates for three spots. they are definitely going to the convention. this is chris and seth. who are you supporting going to the convention? >> right now i'm uncommitted and give serious consideration to how the district votes but in the end i will vote for who i feel is the best candidate. >> you wont be tied necessarily to what your constituents vote for? >> it's a big consideration, that's who elects us but no mat every whom our voters vote for, we need to win back the white house. >> reporter: that's a lot of power to have. i want to talk with seth. your position is a little different. you said you're going to wait and see or do you have somebody
in mind? >> i don't have a specific candidate in mind. it's a bigger formula. the district vote is a huge fact or. i feel like a representative of the district and of pennsylvania, at the convention and want to serve the people well and make the right choice and stay uncommitted, allow the voters to vote first and take it from there. >> it's an unbelievable thing to be uncommitted. have you heard from the campaigns are? are they trying to woo you to your side? >> i met with senator cruz and govern governor kasich invited us to talk with delegates. >> have you met donald trump? >> not as of yet. they are pressing the flesh extremely hard to get these guys to come over to their side. it could be make or break if donald trump comes up short of 1237, these 54 unbound delegates in pennsylvania could make the difference and that is who is here right now. >> thank you very much, jacob. much more ahead after a short break.
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